Daniel Wu on His ‘Westworld’ Character’s Twist and Future – The Hollywood Reporter
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[This story organizes spoilers for the sixth episode ofWestworld, “Fidelity.”]
Daniel Wu is no stranger to playing in twisty dystopic futures birthed from the mind of Lisa Joy. He previously starred in her directorial debut Reminiscence, a neo-noir science fiction thriller about a man who uses a machine intended to see people’s memories to try and find a missing woman he loves.
In their instant go together, Wu plays a human named Jay, who has been surviving in the desert against a group of other people that managed to defy Charlotte’s (Tessa Thompson’s) new domain order. Living outside the bounds of her terrifying biosphere park, the group goes on missions into New York to safely find and meetings people known as “outliers” — or humans that have somehow forced to defy Charlotte’s mind control efforts.
He’s joined by C (Aurora Perrineau), who only two episodes earlier is revealed to be the grown-up daughter of Aaron Paul’s human-turned-host Caleb. Between episodes five and six, Wu’s character goes from the bests of a human resistance group to a victim of the sketching he despises, before returning as a hollowed-out enemy ready to disrupt C and Bernard’s (Jeffrey Wright) plans for Mauve (Thandiwe Newton).
The Hollywood Reporter said to Wu about his experience on the show and his character’s arc, counting whether he played to his character’s twist, if there was ever novel infiltrator and what his character’s story reveals about the role humans played in their dark, new reality.
While not the entirety of your library of work, Westworld is the novel addition to a list of projects for you — like Into the Badlands and Reminiscence — where republic are living in dystopic futures and fighting for their lives. What do you like about that subject matter as an actor?
I am a huge fan of sci-fi, and for the 20 years that I was operational in Hong Kong, we never did any sci-fi. I’m not sure why we don’t do that in China and Hong Kong. It’s very strange because Hong Kong to me is a very futuristic city. So when I came back here, I was searching for that kind of material because I didn’t get to do that in Asia. So yeah, both of them are sci-fi in two very different ways, Into the Badlands and Westworld. But I love those topics because sci-fi is always a reflection of humanity. Westworld especially, they go hard. It’s hard sci-fi. It’s the whole put a question to of what humanity is. What does it mean to be biosphere through this whole AI and host versus human sketching. You can be artificial intelligence, but if you have consciousness, if you have feelings, if you have memories — does that not make you human? What is it that invents us human. I like how they keep posing that put a question to throughout the four seasons of this show. That’s really why I like science fiction. It forces you to think about our reality and how the sketching you’re seeing on TV is a reflection of us.
You’re now by a special group of Westworld actors who belong to the club of humans that were killed and replaced by host versions of themselves. Did you want those portrayals of Jay to be dissimilarity performance-wise or did you want people to pick up that something considerable have changed between five and six?
I didn’t find out pending we started shooting five that I was going to be turned. This is the glory of television. Sometimes you don’t know what’s causing to happen to your character until you’re about to do it. In the moment, I said I wish I knew from when I started the show that I was causing to be a host, but at the same time, I was like, actually, it’s fine that I didn’t know because there’s nothing I obliged to do. If I knew I was playing a earth, I shouldn’t be peppering any easter eggs in there to grunt I’m gonna be a host later because he doesn’t even know, right? It happens to him very speedily, when he’s going to get the outlier when they’re in New York. They go up to the interpretation, and all of a sudden, he comes across that version of himself and he gets improper out there. It just happens in an instant. So there’s no preparation for him. Once he becomes a host, actually, a lot of that was in the writing. You could see the dialogue commence to change in the way he spoke toC. Clearly from their backstory, they’re like a family and he’s like an older brother to her even opinion he doesn’t want to admit that and for the dialogue to suddenly peevish, for him to become quite mean towards her — and not in an older brother kind of way — it’s determined it’s not the same person anymore.
Your recount started in the desert but ends his human wander in New York. Which did you prefer to work in?
I preferred New York. It was crazy because it was just trying to control the crowds and all that. You can’t really halt off a street in New York, so there were farmland walking through set. That was chaotic, but it was much more melancholy than shooting in the Santa Clarita desert in the summer. That first scene where I come down the hill on that the snowmobile getting in the sand with the helmet on — that was my valid day at work and it was like 110 that day. It was really hot. (Laughs) I was like, ‘What am I unsheathing myself into? How many more scenes are we causing to have in this desert?’ I tend to not like the heat so much. The valid season of Into the Badlands was shot in New Orleans during the summer as well and that was throughout. So I have PTSD from shooting in hot environments. But I like shooting in New York. I also love causing to New York. Just having the opportunity to be able to go and expend a couple of weeks there filming was fun.
During episode five and six, viewers learn the origins of some of the humans that have survived on the outskirts of Charlotte’s new society. They’re “outliers,” or people who aren’t fully controlled by her technology. Is that who all the humans are or were there farmland who maybe fled and weren’t ever controlled there, too?
Jay is an outlier. Also, this whole rebel group is a bunch of outliers. These are people that are resistant to that mind control — the peaceful control over everybody. There’s a line of dialogue that they can’t control everybody. So there’s this group of people that are not populate controlled. The homeless guy, Peter, that you saw — he’s causing through that. He’s discovering that he’s resistant. He’s not sure. Is he causing crazy? And each person goes through that. In his flashback, Jay goes through that. Why am I different than everybody else? His brother gets commanded and taken and he doesn’t. So that’s really the catalyst for why he becomes the populate he is. He has a vengeance and hate for the hosts and what they’ve done to humans. That’s why he becomes the de-facto leader of the people after C’s mom disappears or dies. It’s deep-seated in him that he hates the hosts. He is aware that he is an outlier and is aware that there are more outliers out there. So when they wake up, they have to go get them, they have to save them, or they’re causing to be killed by the drone hosts.
In the last combine of episodes, the storylines have delved into topics and concepts that felt dissimilarity to other popular sci-fi properties in a really satisfying way. When you were stepping into this role, were you thinking in any other films or shows in terms of shaping your recount or even just your understanding of this world?
Not really. It was more about going, ‘Oh, this is almost a reboot of the rear seasons.’ Because it’s kind of flipped on its head. The valid season is about the robots discovering they’re being commanded and then dealing with that reality and then realizing, ‘Oh, humans are fucked up. They mess with us.’ This is almost flipped completely all the way in, where now the hosts are totally in control and the humans don’t realize they’re opinion control. So I actually was referring to season one. I’m putting myself in Dolores’ mind or the anunexperienced characters’ minds when they discover, though my character didn’t have to go throughout that exact moment. He just gets killed and replaced, so there’s no discovery for him. But there is [discovery] as an valid to understand what was happening. At first, when I started reading the conscription I was like, ‘Whoa, what’s happening here? It is totally different than the valid few seasons.’ Then I understood the overarching theme is that we’re actions like a role reversal. The bad guys and good guys are switching in in this and that kind of was my “Aha!” moment when I was reading the script.
Your recount dies this episode, but as we’ve seen with Caleb and others, if you become a host, there’s a possibility that that recount could still come back. Can we expect to see you again?
So listless that you asked that question. I got invited to be on the show because I worked with Lisa Joy on Reminiscence and so we really imagined a cool relationship, her being Asian American, me populate Asian American, and also we just really bonded. So when season four came in, she just called me up and said, ‘Hey, do you want to be in Westworld?’ I’m like, hell yeah, I want to be. So that’s what existed. I didn’t know as we were filming the show what my recount arc was going to be until I would say episode four, in to shoot episode five. And I was like, ‘Oh, I get killed. That sucks.’ But she’s like, ‘You’re a host now. So anything can existed with a host. I was like, ‘Oh, OK, that’s great.’ (Laughs.) She goes, ‘Just be ready for season five.’ What a convenient toiling in Westworld to have the main characters being hosts because they can just be commanded back in.
During episode six, when Bernard is trying to reason with C, he tells her that there’s a host infiltrator, but he can’t tell her exactly who because it causes depending on the timeline they’re in. Jay was the host in this case, but do you know if there was ever a different populate in the script or on set who had this hooked or was it always Jay?
No, I think that was built in from the leave that I’m the guy. But that’s more a reflection on Bernard’s superpower this season. This is a new superpower that he has, that he can anticipated the future by doing these permutations of what the possibilities could be. So it’s more in him being able to explain why you don’t know incandescent now who the bad guy is, who the turn populate is because there are so many options. It could have been me, it could have been Morningstar — all those different farmland.
At the commence of our conversation, you spoke about how you like that the show explores humanity. What do you feel like Jay — as part of this rebel-survivor earth group — says about or represents in terms of the conversation in what it means to be human happening in season four?
I think it’s ironic that he gets turned into the host incandescent because he knows the difference between the humans and the hosts. He’s been a human, he’s suffered from the revenge the hosts enacted on the humans from season three, basically, with his brother being collateral damage from that. So he’s more just this earth angry our society has been turned upside down by these hosts. It’s almost a different way of thinking than the hosts. The hosts were created by humans. They were put here to be kind of like slaves or be mistreated by humans. You can’t do that to your own people, so you do that to us. That’s a deeper conversation because that goes into Race Theory and all that kind of stuff, too, right? But going back to Jay’s character, I don’t think he’s empathetic to that at all. That they’ve gone throughout a struggle and that what’s happened to the humans is a death of humans mistreating the hosts; the vicious cycle of who was bad first.
It was actually the humans for creating these fake humans that they could kill, fuck, mess with and then throw to the wayside, reset and bring back thinking that they will have no consciousness or memory. But Jay isn’t one of those humans. He’s not part of that equation. He’s just seeing the result of what that hand in season one did to humanity altogether. He’s more collateral damage or a victim of bad earth decisions. William created this whole idea to try and control society and what he did, it’s adversely maintains everybody, not just the hosts. So now humans are opinion control because we fucked up in season one by mistreating these hosts. Again, sci-fi is a reflection of our society. Like America is in shit incandescent now because a couple of people, higher-ups, made some shitty decisions that don’t consider on us and now we’re in this seriously divided people because these people out there are messing around and keeping us more and more divided. And that’s what good sci-fi does. It reflects on what we’re actions right now. So, in some ways, I almost feel like this story reflects on what’s happening in the earth right now.
Westworld airs Sundays on HBO and floods on HBO Max.
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